From harelb Sun Apr 28 18:35:08 1991 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 91 17:37:55 -0400 From: harelb (Harel Barzilai) To: cdp!christic@labrea.stanford.edu Cc: harelb Subject: Attack on Chrisitc on the Net ******************************************************* Subject: Re: MORE ON JOHN HULL EXTRADITION Newsgroups: alt.activism,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.latin-america,alt.conspiracy References: <1991Apr26.004057.16210@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <1991Apr27.065047.3782@midway.uchicago.edu> Bcc: ******************************************************* In article kkirksey@eng.auburn.edu writes: >In article <1991Apr27.065047.3782@midway.uchicago.edu> harelb@arthur.uchicago.edu (Harel Barzilai) writes: >>In article kkirksey@eng.auburn.edu (Kenneth B. Kirksey) writes: >>>In article <1991Apr26.004057.16210@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> harelb@cabot (Harel Barzilai) writes: >>>>PLEASE EDIT NEWSGROUPS LINE >>>>AS PER NATURE OF FOLLOWUP >>>> >>>> ...PeaceNet forward... >>>>================================================================== >>>>Topic 96 MORE ON JOHN HULL EXTRADITION >>>>christic christic.news 2:17 pm >>>>Apr 25, 1991 >>>> >>>> >>>> ********************************************************* >>>> COSTA RICA SEEKS EXTRADITION OF AMERICAN CONTRA-SUPPORTER >>>> ********************************************************* >>>> >>>>Christic Institute Press Release, April 25, 1991 >>>> >>>Christic Institute? Didn't a case related to this one get tossed out >>>due to lack of evidence? >>> >>>Anyway, keep up the CI posts. They're funny. >> >> >>I nominate you for the Allen S@#$^er award. >> >>Findings of the Costa Rican Attorney General's office, the Costa Rican >>Cabinet, etc -- but hey, it's in a Christic post, so we can attack the >>Costa Rican repots by attacking Christic. (you can read the Costa >>Rican report yourself if you want to order it -- see the article) >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >>Meanwhile Allens tactics are too tricky to deal with. >> >>"The press is not behaving 100% in the interests of the elites -- so >>how do you ___'s explain THAT?" Oh my. >> >>Here is a person who has made the profound discovery that it is easier >>to ask cute questions like this and poke fun at the answers which >>inevitably relate to the complexity of the world we live in -- for >>what is easier to dismiss by poking fun than this fact? -- than to >>engage in honest intellectual inquiry and try understanding the >>answers to such questions, again, this requiring no great amount of >>intelligence but a fair amount of honest inquiry into the less than >>comfortable realities which often contradict certain comfortable fairy >>tails we have grown up with. >> >>Most sorry is the evident lack of confidence in these beliefs such >>"conservative" attacks display, as they apparently fear than an honest >>critique of the U.S. capitalist system somehow leads down the path to >>Maoism (or godknowswhat), that if they sail on they will fall off the >>edge of the earth, rather than discovering a larger world of ideas. > >But then again, one has to start these inquiries with an open mind, not looking >for only the facts to support ones currently held opinion. An one can >certainly accomplish more by limiting ourselves to the subject at hand than by >making a blanket denunciation of conservatism which borders on juvenile name >calling. > >I have read the Costa Rican reports and found them not terribly convincing, >especially given the names of some of those involved. > >I have build up quite a clipping file on the christic institute over the pas >couple of years. I first heard of them throught a comic graphic novel called >"Brought to Light" which contained a story about the LaPenca bombing. I was >very intrigued with the story, but could not take what they were saying without >confirmation. I'm big on research and facts that way. Anyway, when I started >digging, I found that a number of things that were presented in this story were >as facts were not really facts. Some were second and third hand heresay (like >the story of David) and some of their sources suffered a serious lack of >credibility. I don't know how much stock you put in the testimony of someone >who is offered a shortened jail sentance to say something, but I have to take >any such confessions with a grain of salt. The worst in this bunch was >Ramon Milian Rodriguez, a convicted drug money launderer. > >The Christic Institute, like so many other left leaning organizations, has >a seems to have a tendency to present as "fact" things that are nothing more >that speculation, or sometimes downright fabrications. Even Tony Avirgan, >the pricipal plaintiff in the La Penca case, was uncomfortable "with the >deductive leaps in the Christic case". > >After reading that story on the La Penca bombing, I was originally on the side >of Christic. After doing my homework, however, I found that, based on the >facts that I has found, I could not beleive what they were saying, or support >such a group. Everything I have read about Christic since then hand only >convinced me more that I made the right decision. > >+---------------------------+------------------------------------------------+ >| Ken Kirksey | "I stay driven 'cause there's nowhere to park, | >| | I can't shut my eyes, I'm afraid of the dark, | >| Computer Engineering | I lie awake, that stone left me chilled to | >| | the bone, | >| Auburn University | Sound the alarm before it's done, | >| | Find Jim Morrison!" | >| kkirksey@eng.auburn.edu | - Steve Taylor | >+---------------------------+------------------------------------------------+