Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.culture.latin-america,soc.rights.human,talk.politics.misc Subject: Re: ALERT: Kuwait Deporting Palestinian Summary: Expires: References: <2107@crackers.clearpoint.com> <752@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> <1991Jun5.133002.13348@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: Followup-To: alt.activism.d,talk.politics.misc Distribution: Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Keywords: In article <1991Jun5.133002.13348@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: >In article <752@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (John Donald Collier) writes: >>In article <2107@crackers.clearpoint.com> martillo@crackers.clearpoint.com (Martillo) writes: >>>In article <1991Jun4.152707.9681@cs.cmu.edu>, anwar+@CS.CMU.EDU (Anwar Mohammed) writes: >>} >>}} These laws are commonly enforced in most Western countries, so I don't >>}} see why you choose to pick on this. Unless, of course, you are only >>}} politically motivated... >>} >>}} -anwar Anwar is apparently unaware of the widespread Sanctuary Movement in the peace movement working precisely against deportations by the U.S. (Need I mention AI's condemnation of the U.S. double-standard in % given assylum for someone from East Europe or Cuba vs. someone from a far more oppressive but "friendly" Latin American country?) More instructive is Anwar's concentration of the act of deportation, ignoring Kuwait's refusal to give Malik permission to join his relatives in the U.S. or that the "deportation" alluded to is "...be taken to the Iraq/Kuwait border and told to walk north;" nor are we to give a second thought to the Kuwaiti dictatorship's refusal to grant Malik's wife and 4 children exit visas, all among the practices "commonly enforced in western countries" no doubt. >Hehehe...I see. So it is perfectly OK in your mind that we influence >Kuwait in this respect, but I suppose it is not OK to influence >Cuba, eh? You guys are such hypocrites. >Chris >--------------+---------------------------------------------------------- >Chris Mauritz | Cuba's *superior* human rights record is only part of the > | answer; it's superior social conditions are another. >--------------| -Harel Barzilai- Absolutely we should put pressure on Cuba, despite whose greatly superior human rights record to places like Guatemala "we" (Washington) chooses to "pressure" such countries with aid, or, occassionally, withholding aid, not with terrorism, assassination attempts, and generally trying to destroy the social revolution, including infant mortality rates less than half of the U.S. showcase death-squad "democracies." In other words, if you have a death-squad state and massacre your civilian population whlesale in a deliberate government strategy (in Amnesty's words) of terror to prevent the starving masses from getting out of hand and threatening the privileges of the 5% of elites who own most of the land while most of the poele don't have enough land to feed themselves, AND (crucially) the country's elites cooperate with Washington and let it have military base, a "friendly" business environment for U.S. multinational to exploit with starvation wages the population, etc, THEN that's a "democracy" and we will continue "pressuing " with "constructive engagement" and in rare circumstances withhold aid all as ways of "pressuing" BUT if you are a country in which there are no death-squads slaughtering peasants who want land reform but institute health care, education, etc, AND (crucially) this interferes with U.S. control and profits (predictably, since a government providing for it's peopel and utilizing the nation's resources for that is not likely to be maximizing profits for corporations) then lack of free elections, political prisoners, and other forms of quite unacceptable human rights violations which are incomparably less severe than the U.S. showcase death-squad "democracies" in the region, THEN it's time to try to overthrow the evil regime, employ terrorism, assassiantion, international isolation and economic warfare, etc; In fact even if the human rights record, is not merely *far superior* to that of the US "democracies" like Cuba's but superior to the U.S's wartime record, like Nicaragua under the Sandinistas, and your revolution institutes internationally recornized achievements for the population, BUT the same geopolicial/profit problems exist, then we hire terrorist "freedom fighters" to overthrow the country, or at least destroy the achievements of the revolution. See documentation (the contra's, Sandinista's human rights record, the achievements of the revolution, etc) for this at bottom in the ACTIV-L "Nicaragua library" contained in the overall ACTIV-L ARCHIVE file. That the policy has nothing to do with human rights is tiringly obvious. That it has little to do with some other things, and regarding what it does have to do with, one may look at China --Harel "Many hundreds of people, including judicial officials investigating human rights violations, were extrajudicially executed. Scores of other people ``disappeared'' after detention. Multiple killing of unarmed civilians, attributed to army personnel, police and paramilitary groups under army or police command, continued. The government failed to disband paramilitary organizations, despite its introduction of decree laws outlawing such forces. Independent investigations uncovered further evidence of links between the regular armed forces and paramilitary groups. At least four prisoners of conscience were detained and charged under special decree laws ostensibly introduced to combat common criminals. Torture of political detainees, some of whom were prisoners of conscience, continued to be reported. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Amnesty International on Colombia, a report to be put side by side reports on other countries, which I will repost, e.g. Cuba. ################################################################## ============================================= T h e " N i c a r a g u a L i b r a r y " ============================================= * * ========= * Nicaragua * ========= * CONTRA TERROR Contras' origins; make-up; practices - documented FSLN H-RIGHTS Documented HRs comparison w/Somoza,Guat,ES,others FSLN MISKITOS Sandinista treatment of Miskitos;Charges & Realit FSLN NICAJEWS Debunks charges of Sandinista 'Anti-Semitism' * OXFAM84 NICARAG Oxfam America's 1984 report on Nicaragua, in full FSLN ACHIEVE Documented: achievements of the Nica. revolution * NICA-84 ELECTION Documented: Fair under Sandinistas; US subversion FAIRNESS NICA-USA Flwup:`Is Nicaragua More Democratic than the US?' 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